Episode 123

Could Butter Be the Solution to Shady Books?

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In this episode, host Shane Mercer is joined by Andrew Pace and John Wilson to tackle the controversial legal battle swirling around Kalshi, dissecting the line between commodity trading and sports betting, and what it means for platforms pushing the boundaries of federal and state law.

Andrew also introduces "The Butter," inplayLIVE’s new sportsbook review platform designed to help bettors steer clear of shady books and find reputable places to play. The group explores the ever-evolving landscape of safe betting, celebrates big wins in soccer and CFL, and serves up hot takes (and even hotter stories) about the challenges of getting paid out, sportsbook blacklists, and the future of sports betting education, including the surprising news that Carnegie Mellon is now offering a sports betting risk course.

Of course, there’s plenty of football talk, with actionable picks and insights as preseason NFL and CFL play ramps up. Plus, get inspired by the story of inplayLIVE’s beginnings—and some well-deserved community shoutouts!

🎞️ Top Quotes

Legal Battles Over Sports Betting Platforms: "Kalshi, of course, saying, you know, how can we be offering sports bets if we're not offering any odds? We don't create odds, so these aren't sports bets. That's kind of one of the lines they're using there."
— Shane Mercer [00:02:29 → 00:02:40]

Federal Laws and Kalshi’s Legal Challenges: "That person was literally quoted as saying Kalshi Sports Betting will is not going anywhere, essentially. And that was in reference specifically to, the k the very the first case about the Indian Gaming Act."
— John Wilson [00:05:17 → 00:05:32]

Political Corruption and Sports Betting: "I mean, some honest corruption, probably at the federal level here having, the son of the sitting president, as a main stakeholder in a company and then appointing people who are saying they're gonna protect it, no matter what. But, perhaps corruption that as sports bettors in The United States, can benefit from, as the same administration and the same, current government is trying to, you know, put constraints on taxes and other ability to to do things in the in the betting space."
— John Wilson [00:06:01 → 00:06:34]

Viral Sports Betting Hack: "Perhaps you get a a 15 or 20 to one, whereas on a regulated book, you might only get, like, a five to one on them to win the game just because some guy out there is chasing hard, or he he set a limit, where he's willing to buy contracts at a certain price, and you could take advantage of stuff like that."
— John Wilson [00:07:53 → 00:08:08]

University Courses on Sports Betting: "It's not a full program. You're not gonna get an undergraduate degree in sports betting, but this might be the start of of that."
— Shane Mercer [00:12:32 → 00:12:40]

How Emotions Influence Betting Decisions: "A whole course on on statistics, probabilities, and, of course, betting and decision making and how your emotions sort of factor into that."
— Shane Mercer [00:12:58 → 00:13:05]

The Truth Behind Sports Betting Education: "It almost seems like they know young males in particular are really susceptible to, the risks of gambling, and they wanna create this cool course where they end up learning that they shouldn't do it."
— Andrew Pace [00:13:11 → 00:14:14]

The Stigma Around Sports Betting in the U.S.: "The United States still has just a real stigma about sports betting. And if there was if there were courses about it, it would be, Wes, you described of, like, saying you just shouldn't do this. Like, here's all the mathematical reasons you shouldn't be betting on sports or gambling in any sense."
— John Wilson [00:15:23 → 00:15:39]

The Prevalence of Sports Betting Among College Men: "I'm sure there's some great surveys out there on the percentage of college men that are, betting on sports in The United States, illegally, and I'm sure it's extremely high."
— John Wilson [00:16:15 → 00:16:27]

Gambling School—Learning Sports Betting from the Pros: "You're getting a a a sports betting education, through inplayLIVE. So, that you know, I always sort of kinda looked at it that way."
— Shane Mercer [00:19:13 → 00:19:20]

Honest Book Reviews: "The idea is you can go review those five books right now. Maybe the maybe there'll be a book there that, you know, you haven't seen before that you wanna start playing on. But you can leave your review, your personal experience, and then also contact us if you're like, hey. I really wanna see if this book's reputable."
— Andrew Pace [00:20:11 → 00:20:27]

The Challenge of Keeping Information Current: "It's just gonna provide people with inaccurate information over the course of time. Like, it's gonna be accurate the day I post it, and we're not gonna be going into this thing and, you know, redoing our posts all the time. It's just not something that we have the capacity to do."
— Andrew Pace [00:23:03 → 00:23:16]

Community-Powered Ratings: "Ultimately, you know, the community has the ability to rate the live markets, to rate the verification process, to put their own ratings in there, and then to leave a note on on their experience."
— Andrew Pace [00:23:26 → 00:23:36]

How Sportsbooks React to Successful Bettors: "The sportsbooks practices, how they treat winners, some of our experiences with, like, you know, Bet nine nine and them contacting us, being super excited to work with us and it lasting, like, a few days and us having a huge negative balance with them. We've seen all that."
— Andrew Pace [00:24:24 → 00:24:38]

The Dangers of Betting Preseason Football: "One of the biggest mistakes that I ever made was taking strategies that I was successful with in the NFL and applying them to the preseason as if it was the same game. I got burnt and burnt bad, way back in the day."
— Andrew Pace [00:29:38 → 00:29:51]

NFL Preseason Mindset: "Getting warmed up, getting back into the NFL routine, some of the same strategies, you know, apply. They might apply differently in the preseason, but, you know, still sort of flexing those brain muscles, so to speak."
— Shane Mercer [00:30:47 → 00:30:59]

NFL Preseason Profits: "We made a 197 bets, and, we wound up with a 10.8, so call it 11% because it sounds better, ROI, on on the preseason."
— Andrew Pace [00:31:22 → 00:31:34]

Beating the Limits: "Corners are really good. And one of the best parts about corners is that, there there's, some sharp books out there that aren't gonna limit you, and they're off with corners."
— Shane Mercer [00:32:56 → 00:33:06]

The Global Reach of Soccer Betting: "It's pretty incredible. Like, bigger limits than even the NFL."
— John Wilson [00:33:50 → 00:33:53]

Football Overload Incoming: "That's when we'll really kind of ramp up, the football, intake there. And and a lot of it will sort of coincide with CFL stuff, and and it would almost be like full, football slates."
— Shane Mercer [00:38:23 → 00:38:34]

Should Teams Risk Bringing Back Players Late in the Season? "I just would say, like, why risk it to this point? He's gonna be out until, what, like, week fifteen at least. Yeah. You know?"
— John Wilson [00:40:51 → 00:40:57]

Viral Sports Betting Strategy: "We do predominantly bet live, but there definitely has been a lot more of the positive EV CFL calls that end up going through the group based on the line movement, closer to kickoff."
— Andrew Pace [00:42:06 → 00:42:15]

👋 About The Host & Guests

Shane Mercer is the host of the "Behind The Lines" podcast, where he leads insightful and engaging conversations on sports betting topics. Known for his sharp questions and lively hosting style, Shane guides listeners through industry news, legal developments, and betting strategies, often alongside expert guests. His approachable and energetic demeanor makes the show both informative and entertaining for bettors of all levels.

Andrew Pace is a recurring guest on the Behind The Lines podcast and the founder of inplayLIVE. Known for his expertise in sports betting, Andrew focuses on educating and empowering bettors through initiatives like “the butter,” a sportsbook review platform. He combines his analytical skills and firsthand experience to help others avoid unreliable books and succeed in the betting world. Andrew is recognized for his transparent, community-driven approach and his dedication to making sports betting safer and more accessible for everyone.

John Wilson, also known as "Gosu" on "Behind The Lines," is a core guest and analytics expert on the podcast. He’s recognized for his sharp market analysis, in-depth knowledge of betting—especially in soccer and CFL—and his thoughtful commentary on the legal landscape impacting bettors. John stands out for his data-driven, methodical approach and willingness to share real experiences and practical advice. Listeners value his clear explanations and expert insights, making him a respected and approachable voice in the betting community.